working4christ2-- [29] Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?"

Today, 3:11 pm

PJM  Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,980 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: =ltwin;10723478]Let me start off by saying that there are things I appreciate about the Catholic Church. I do like the fact that Catholics have history and they know who they are. Pentecostals don't appreciate their own history enough. Too much we focus on the "new thing" God is doing in our lives and in the church and not enough looking back to give God thanks for what he has done in history. I also appreciate that the Catholic Church has never fallen into the trap of believing in cessationism That said the biggest problems are beliefs that don't appear to be warranted in scripture: Apostolic Succession, the pope's unique role, Mariology, prayers to the saints, purgatory. It's claim that other churches are simply "ecclesial communities" and somehow less than the Catholic Church is something that troubles me as well. Another thing I'm not comfortable with is something that I perceive from my very limited interaction with the Catholic Church (mainly discussions on this forum). This is the lack of correlation between the rites of Christian initiation and the experience of Christian conversion. From my Pentecostal heritage, the performance of any sacerdotal or ecclesiastical rites is useless unless their is a Christian experience that accompanies it. I also believe that Catholic liturgical worship is too routinized and the authority structure is too top heavy. But that has more to do with my own Pentecostal background than it does with whether the Catholic Church is "correct" in all its beliefs. I respect your views as your own. That said; Christ founded only One church "My Church" [singular] in Mt 16. At that time and all-time before [OT history] and within the New Covenant was a SINGLE set of Faith beliefs. Eph. 2:3-6 is precise and clear: "Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace One body [church/faith] and one Spirit;[Faith] as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, [SIZE="one faith[/size], one baptism. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all." And there are numerous teachings that support this fact. One God simply cannot hold not only differnt positions on the same Long defined issues; but contradictory ones at that.Ita a theological and Moral impossibility. NOR did God wait more than one thousand years to expose HIS One Faith; One set of true believes within in the Only Church Jesus Founded and Protects. [Biblically provable. Ecclesiasticus 15:18 Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him: God Bless you! __________________  PJM  http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

#246    Today, 3:44 pm

PJM  Senior Member   Join Date: August 31, 2008 Posts: 8,980 Religion: Informed, practicing RomanCatholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: =coachkfan1;10723762]Also, (sorry) but do you believe that someone who does not have the gift of tongues is not saved? Even Saint Paul agrees with you: 1Cor.12 Verses 25 to 30 " that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, [color="MediumTurquoise"]then workers of miracles,[/COLOR] then healers, helpers, administrators, [AND THEN!] speakers in various kinds of tongues. [29] Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" Amen __________________  PJM  http://working4christ2.wordpress.com Can we partake of God's GLORY and NOT partake of His PASSION? NO! A.B. Fulton Sheen: "The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it."

#247    Today, 3:55 pm

ltwin  Regular Member   Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 1,611 Religion: Pentecostal

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by PJM  Even Saint Paul agrees with you: 1Cor.12 Verses 25 to 30 " that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles,second prophets, third teachers, [color="MediumTurquoise"]then workers of miracles,[/COLOR] then healers,helpers, administrators, [AND THEN!] speakers in various kinds of tongues. [29] Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" Amen I refer you to my answer to coachkfan1, post 47 on page 4. __________________ Let your love be my companion In the war against my pride. Long to break all vain obsession Till you're all that I desire.

#248    Today, 4:01 pm

value  Trial Membership   Join Date: May 14, 2013 Posts: 4 Religion: catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by Catholic4Christ  Hello, Itwin. First, I would like to say that your answers thus far are very well-formed and informative. It is always refreshing to come across a Christian who understands their own faith so well and with such conviction. I've got a few questions, just off the top of my head... 1) What are your thoughts on sacraments, sacramental theology, etc.? I would imagine that the Catholic or Orthodox views regarding the sacraments/mysteries are not a part of your personal faith, though I wonder if a Pentacostal would be open to the possibility that the sacraments as understood by Catholics are manifestations of the Holy Spirit's work. Do you only consider Baptism and the Lord's Supper to be 'sacraments', as many other Reformed groups do? Or does the general concept of sacraments not figure into your faith life? 2) Spinning off of the last question, what do you believe occurs at Baptism? Also, what are your thoughts on the Eucharist? 3) You've said that you don't view one church as being superior to another, but for you personally, what is attractive about your church (and/or congregation) that other communities lack? 4) Naturally, the Bible and Scripture is important to your faith. Do you have thoughts on the Deuterocanon? 5) Just a personal question: What's your favorite verse/passage from Scripture? And what's your preferred English translation? I'll lay off for now! Thanks for making this thread!  hello-- im also interested in how you process q's #1, & #2, as i live in both camps-- as a charismatic , and a penecostial,

#249    Today, 4:04 pm

grannymh  Forum Master Forum Supporter   Join Date: November 16, 2008 Posts: 12,877 Religion: Catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by ltwin  I don't want to appear to be proselytizing, so I'll pass on answering this one. However, I'm sure the Catholic Charismatic Renewal has some guidance on this question. http://brendancase.com/uploads/Key_t...ic_Renewal.pdf http://www.nsc-chariscenter.org/index.asp

#250    Today, 4:08 pm

ltwin  Regular Member   Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 1,611 Religion: Pentecostal

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by value  hello-- im also interested in how you process q's #1, & #2, as i live in both camps-- as a charismatic , and a penecostial,  Look on page 4 at post 50. __________________ Let your love be my companion In the war against my pride. Long to break all vain obsession Till you're all that I desire.

#251    Today, 4:16 pm

ltwin  Regular Member   Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 1,611 Religion: Pentecostal

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by grannymh  Perhaps the best route is what you put in bold. Sin is foreign to human nature. I think we agree on that. I'm still not sure exactly what the Catholic objection is. Is it the belief in the depravity of man? I would assume that that would make it difficult to believe that works have a role in salvation if Catholics believed that were true? __________________ Let your love be my companion In the war against my pride. Long to break all vain obsession Till you're all that I desire.

#252    Today, 4:26 pm

value  Trial Membership   Join Date: May 14, 2013 Posts: 4 Religion: catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by ltwin  I don't want to appear to be proselytizing, so I'll pass on answering this one. However, I'm sure the Catholic Charismatic Renewal has some guidance on this question. hello, interesting thread-- my story of catholic 2-Pentecostalism , was when the holy spirit told me to go to a particular bible college as an adult-- i would not do it-- and refused to for 3 years-- because my catholic family would have persecuted me,, ( and they did) when i finally said to the H.S ok-- where do you what me to go-- the Holy Spirit sent me to some AOG bible school with african american prophets--who - along with the ministry team-- layed hands on me and the rest as they say is "a testimony" what people do not "really" get is they are a vessel, like a cup or "a house", that can be filled with the Holy Spirit-- and what comes out -- is not you-- i have functioned with all 9 gifts of the spirit-- and it can be a pain in the but-- when dealing with ( fill-in-the-blank) but praying in tongues 2-build yourself -up -in your most holy faith- (jude) but many people confuse quoting scripture-- as if that is understanding the word and presence and plan of God-- yes the same God as Jesus referred to-- numbers 11;29-- nice to see who well you have dealt with the many questions